Category Archives: Footings
Wall Framing, a Sloped Build Site, and Engineering for Slab
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 12/10/2020Continuing the week with more Pole Barn Guru, Mike discusses spacing of framing for wall steel, how to prepare a sloped build site, and if Hansen can provide engineering for slab on grade in Colorado. DEAR POLE BARN GURU: If you have 2×6’s for walls in pole building that are spaced 16 inches apart, and […]
Read moreBuild on a Slope, Joist Hangers, and the Future of Post Frame
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 12/07/2020This Monday the Pole Barn Guru answers questions about building on a slope with use of embedded columns or brackets on piers, the proper installation of joist hangers, and the Guru’s vision of the future of post frame construction. DEAR POLE BARN GURU: Because of the 16% slope, I will be using concrete piers & […]
Read moreBusting Post Frame Barndominium Myths
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 10/20/2020Busting Post Frame Barndominium Myths Yep, I have been web surfing again and I came across a stick frame building contractor’s website who obviously either doesn’t understand fully engineered post frame construction, or just frankly doesn’t care to add it to his arsenal of design solutions. My comments are in italics. MYTH #1. MOST BANKS WON’T […]
Read more- Categories: Pole Building Comparisons, Barndominium, Constructing a Pole Building, Pole Barn Planning, Trusses, Concrete, Footings, Shouse, Budget, Pole Barn Questions, Pole Barn Homes, Pole Barn Design
- Tags: Post Frame Barndominium, Concrete Footers, Construction Loan, Concrete Piers, Double Trusses, Building Code Compliant, Steel Brackets, Barndominium, Footers
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Column Height, a Hangar Door, and Splash Plank Boards
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 10/19/2020This week the Pole Barn Guru answers reader questions about column height for an eight foot one inch interior ceiling, what size bi-fold door for a hangar, and specific boards for a splash plank. DEAR POLE BARN GURU: New at this. If I am building a pole barn house and want 8 ft 1 inch […]
Read moreDry Set Brackets, Snow Loads, and Winch Boxes
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 10/13/2020The Pole Barn Guru continues to be inundated with reader questions, so we will be adding some mid-week PBG responses. First off is a questions about attaching posts to a square footing with dry set brackets, whether or not a Hansen Building can withstand a 40lb snow load (they most certainly can), and the use […]
Read morePosts and Collars, Girts, and Non-Vented Soffits
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 10/12/2020This week’s edition of Pole Barn Guru visits the topics of post and footing sizes, bookshelf girts for drywall, and non-vented soffits for building with spray foam insulation. DEAR POLE BARN GURU: I am currently 68 but I built pole barns as a younger man the biggest being a hay barn 24′ eaves X 80 […]
Read morePost Frame Home Zero Barrier Entry Over a Crawl Space
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 10/02/2020Post Frame Home Zero Barrier Entry Over a Crawl Space Reader MARC in AUBURN writes: “I am asking what might be an odd question, but I need to ask it to see if it is even an option. Is it possible to build a post frame home with part of it having a concrete floor […]
Read more- Categories: Lumber, Post Frame Home, Insulation, Barndominium, About The Pole Barn Guru, Pole Barn Planning, Pole Barn Structure, Concrete, Footings, Building Drainage, Pole Barn Homes
- Tags: Post Frame Home, Crawl Space, Zero Barrier Entry, Wood Foundation Walls, All-weather Wood Foundations, Treated Wood Foundations, Treated Wood Foundation
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Rock Letters
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 07/17/2020Hansen Pole Buildings’ Designer Doug recently sent this message to company owner Eric and me: “I’m getting the question regarding rock letters from Clients and builders in central and eastern Oregon. Have we, or do we ever send the building department a rock letter regarding buildings where optimum post hole depth is not achievable?” When […]
Read more- Categories: Footings, Professional Engineer, Pole Barn holes, Pole Barn Questions, Constructing a Pole Building, Pole Building How To Guides, Pole Barn Planning
- Tags: Wet Set Brackets, Trapezoidal Shock Wave, Engineered Solution, Sonotube, Rock Letter, Steel Stake, Jackhammer, Ram Hoe, Skid Loader, Minimal Hydraulic Pressure Spike
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Barndominium Building on Expansive Soils
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 07/08/2020Barndominium Building on Expansive Soils Expansive soils in many United States areas pose a significant hazard to foundations for barndominiums. Swelling clays derived from residual soils can exert uplift pressures of as much as 5,500 PSF (pounds per square foot) and can do considerable damage to barndominiums, shouses and post frame homes. Insurance companies pay […]
Read moreConcrete Piers, RV Carport, a Wedding Venue
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 06/29/2020This week the Pole Barn Guru answers questions about building with concrete piers, design of storage for an RV, and how wide a venue for weddings can be built. DEAR POLE BARN GURU: I will start with the biggest question I have. Can you design a Pole Barn building 40x60x14 Gable roof 5/12 to be […]
Read more- Categories: Pole Barn Design, Pole Building How To Guides, Pole Barn Planning, Trusses, Footings, Pole Barn Homes, Venues, Shouse
- Tags: RV Shed, Open Carport, Concrete Piers
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Pouring Concrete into Holes With a High Water Table
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 06/16/2020Back in my general contractor days we would run into building sites where water would fill up some or all of our hole depth. While this seemed highly problematic then it was actually far less of an issue than originally presumed. Reader RACHEL in CLARK writes: “We are looking to put up a 24′ X […]
Read moreIsolating Heated and Unheated Barndominium Concrete Floors
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 05/22/2020Isolating Heated and Unheated Barndominium Concrete Floors Loyal reader MIKE in COUPEVILLE writes: “I see you recently posted a detailed drawing on insulating the perimeter of a pole barn, very helpful. https://www.hansenpolebuildings.com/2020/03/meeting-barndominium-slab-requirements/ I’m currently looking at purchasing a large pole barn, it will be 84’x42′ with posts 12′ apart. I plan to make 2 of […]
Read more- Categories: Pole Barn Planning, Concrete, Footings, Pole Barn Heating, Insulation, Barndominium, Pole Barn Questions, Pole Barn Design, Shouse, Pole Building How To Guides
- Tags: Concrete Slab Insulation, Concrete Zone Heating, Rigid Insulation, Concrete Slab, Radiant Heat, Pex-Al-Pex Tubing
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“One-Pour Post Frame Concrete Footings
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 05/21/2020“One-pour” Post Frame Concrete Footings and Bottom Collars As originally engineered Hansen Pole Buildings’ column encasement design, had pressure preservative columns placed to the bottom of an augured hole. Pre-mix concrete was then poured around each column’s lower 16-18 inches to form a bottom collar. Concrete to wood’s bond strength was sufficient to enable this […]
Read moreAdding to a Floating Slab Building
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 05/19/2020Adding to a Floating Slab Building Most buildings need foundations to transfer the structure’s weight as well as roof and floor loads into the ground. Small sheds and backyard structures like gazebos and pergolas may not need elaborate foundations because they are so light. But, for any building over about 150 square feet, a strong […]
Read moreWhere to Stop Metal, Installing a Sliding Door, and Footings
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 05/18/2020This week’s Pole Barn Guru answers reader questions about where to stop metal in relation to concrete, installing a sliding door to a repurposed building, and the proper depth of footings. DEAR POLE BARN GURU: Where do I stop my metal in relation to my grade board/ bottom stringer. I’ve set the bottom of my […]
Read moreFootings, Payments, and Financing
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 05/11/2020Today the Pole Barn Guru answers reader questions about a requirement for “continuous footings” in South Carolina, lump sim or payments for a building purchase, and finance options. DEAR POLE BARN GURU: Are continuous footings required for a pole barn in Dorchester County South Carolina. Size is 24 x 32 M KELLY in SUMMERVILLE DEAR […]
Read more- Categories: Footings, Pole Barn Questions, Pole Barn Planning, Concrete
- Tags: Footings, Financing, Continuous Footings, Payments
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My New Barndominium
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 04/30/2020Reader RENE in MICHIGAN is one of a growing tide of Americans looking to build a barndominium. She writes: “I would like to build a barn with living quarters but I do have unanswered questions! My property is in Riverside WA 98849 and therefore the first question is whether you service this area? I have […]
Read more- Categories: Professional Engineer, Pole Barn Homes, Post Frame Home, Insulation, Barndominium, Pole Barn Questions, Pole Building Comparisons, Shouse, Pole Barn Planning, Footings
- Tags: Metal Buildings, Pre-engineered Metal Buildings, PEMB Building, Wood Construction, Post Frame Insulation
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Worldwide Steel Buildings or Post Frame?
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 04/29/2020Loyal reader STEPHEN in AUSTIN writes: “Mike – I am so thankful for all the info you and your company have provided over the years. Your experience and knowledge have helped so many. I especially love your promotion of bookshelf girts. Every time I see a building framed within a building, I ask why? Bookshelf […]
Read moreFooters, Building Over Old Pool, and Home Made Glu-Lams
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 04/27/2020This week the Pole Barn Guru answers questions about need for a “footer,” building over an old pool, and the efficacy or viability of building ones own glulaminated posts. DEAR POLE BARN GURU: You have most likely answered this question before. I don’t seem to be able to find it. I am thinking about building a […]
Read morePole Building Layout for Drilling Holes
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 04/17/2020Building Layout for Drilling Holes Reader ROGER in LISBON asks: “What is fastest way to layout a building for drilling holes?” From Hansen Pole Buildings’ Construction Manual: Building Layout The building layout establishes exact reference lines and elevations. Care in layout makes construction easier and helps keep building square. REMINDER: Building width and length are […]
Read moreTwo Story House, Car Storage, and a Post Frame Basement
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 03/30/2020Today’s Pole Barn Guru answers questions about building a two story pole barn house, condensation in a car storage building, and how to build a post frame house with a concrete basement. DEAR POLE BARN GURU: We are wanting to build a 2 story pole barn house, it will have an upstairs loft. Would the […]
Read moreMeeting Barndominium Perimeter Slab Insulation Requirements
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 03/24/2020Meeting Barndominium Perimeter Slab Insulation Requirements Our world (at least my world) of post frame buildings has evolved quickly into residential construction of barndominiums, shouses (shop/houses) and post frame homes. Having built two shouses for myself, I have learned a lot about what to do and not to do, as well as receiving helpful contributions […]
Read moreA Multi-Use Building, Backhoe or Auger, and Loft Floors
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 03/23/2020This week the Pole Barn Guru answers questions about a Multi Use building, using a backhoe to dig post holes, and the proper method to add floors to a post frame house. DEAR POLE BARN GURU: I am looking at building a pole building want it to be about 72 ft long, 50 ft wide […]
Read more- Categories: Shouse, Pole Barn Design, Pole Barn Planning, Footings, Professional Engineer, Lofts
- Tags: Multi-Use Building, Auger, Backhoe, Loft Floor, Shouse
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Adding Overhangs, Building Replacement, and Moving a Structure
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 03/16/2020Today the Pole Barn Guru assists with questions about adding an overhang to an existing structure, replacing two buildings on site, and moving an existing structure. DEAR POLE BARN GURU: Hi I just saw your blog posts on the web and wanted to ask you my barn has no overhang on the ends and when […]
Read moreWhere Your Barndominium Dollars Go
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 03/04/2020Where Your Barndominium Dollars Go Recently published by NAHB (National Association of Home Builders) was their 2019 Cost of Construction Survey. I will work from their ‘average numbers’ to breakdown costs so you can get a feel for where your barndominium, shouse or post frame home dollars go. Please use this as a reference only, […]
Read more- Categories: Lumber, Concrete, Insulation, Footings, Barndominium, Pole Building Comparisons, Roofing Materials, Budget, Pole Barn Planning, Professional Engineer, Steel Roofing & Siding, Pole Barn Homes, Building Contractor, Pole Building Siding, Trusses, Windows, Post Frame Home
- Tags: Sheathing, Engineering, Plumbing, Electrical, Excavation, Trusses, National Association Of Home Builders, Retaining Walls, Framing, HVAC, Backfill
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Pylon Sizes, Insulating a Pole Barn, and Plastic for Drainage
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 03/02/2020This week the Pole Barn Guru answers reader questions about concrete pylon sizes, how to best finish and insulate an existing structure, and the best plastic for drainage. DEAR POLE BARN GURU: What size do the concrete pylons need to be for a 24×36 building with an 11’ roof peak to be used for storage. […]
Read more- Categories: Ventilation, Footings, Insulation, Pole Barn Questions, Trusses
- Tags: Spray Foam, Footings, Plastic For Drainage, Pylons, Insulation
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Barndominium: One Story or Two?
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 02/21/2020Barndominium: One Floor or Two? Welcome to an ongoing debate about whether it is more cost effective to build a one story or two story barndominium. Commonly I read people advising two stories is less expensive than a single story. Reader TODD in HENNING put me to work when he wrote: “I’m curious why “Going […]
Read more- Categories: Pole Barn Planning, Pole Barn Apartments, Trusses, Windows, Concrete, Post Frame Home, Footings, Barndominium, Insulation, Building Interior, Shouse, Pole Barn Questions, Budget, Pole Barn Design, Pole Building Comparisons, Pole Barn Homes, About The Pole Barn Guru
- Tags: Floor Trusses, Condensation, Ceiling Joists, Vented Ridge, Commercial Bookshelf Girts, Dripstop, Wall Insulation Cavity, Enclosed Vented Overhangs, Condenstop
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Footing Size? A “Reverse Barndominium?” and a Loft Bedroom?
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 02/17/2020This week the Pole Barn Guru answers questions about the footing size for an open car porch and why a person should use a registered design professional, building a “reverse barndominium” where one build a post frame shell around an existing structure, and if one can build a loft bedroom in a footprint of 20’x […]
Read moreWorking With a Building Official for Footing Design
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 02/12/2020Working With a Building Official for footing designs Long time readers have read me opine on how Building Officials are our friends: https://www.hansenpolebuildings.com/2012/04/i-like-building-officials/ One of our clients recently received this email from his Building Official and shared it with me (red added by me): “The Town of xxxx stopped plan review on your project because […]
Read moreCabin Design Over a Crawl Space
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 01/30/2020Loyal readers may recall recent articles guest written by recently retired Hansen Pole Buildings’ Designer Rick Carr as he designed and erected his post frame hunting cabin over a crawl space (his journey began here: https://www.hansenpolebuildings.com/2019/03/development-of-my-cabin-plans/). Today ROB in DENVER writes: “Hi Mike. I was given your contact info by one of your designers; she […]
Read more- Categories: Pole Barn Questions, Pole Barn Planning, Footings, Cabin
- Tags: Frost Depth, Frost Heave, Rat Wall, Crawl Space, Block Stem Wall Foundation
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Builder or DIY? In ground or Brackets? and Remodel or Rebuild?
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 01/20/2020Today’s Pole Barn Guru discusses finding a builder or DIY, posts in the ground or use wet set brackets, and whether or not to remodel or to rebuild a new structure. DEAR POLE BARN GURU: Thank you for this great website. I have learned so much reviewing the blog articles. I will definitely buy one […]
Read moreWhat Is Keeping Posts Above Ground Worth?
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 01/10/2020What is Something Worth? I can be overly anal. Sometimes I have to really work hard to get around it – I purposefully have conundrums on my desk and for some perverse reason I feel comfortable in them. I inherited my maternal grandmother’s counting gene. Even into her nineties, if I called her up and […]
Read more- Categories: Footings, Columns, Lumber, Pole Barn Homes, Pole Barn Design, Pole Building Comparisons, Post Frame Home, About The Pole Barn Guru, Barndominium, Pole Barn Planning, Pole Barn Structure
- Tags: Glu-laminated Posts, Pressure Preservative Treated Columns, UC4B Treated Columns, Permacolumns
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Scissor Trusses, Hanger Bolts, and Foundation Options
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 01/06/2020This week the Pole Barn Guru answers questions about scissor trusses, wood framing and hanger bolts for sliding doors, as well as a foundation option for a post frame house. DEAR POLE BARN GURU: I have a 30×40 pole barn. And my lower beam on the trusses is to low for my car lift. Is […]
Read moreSupporting Fill When Considerable Grade Change Exists
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 01/02/2020Supporting Fill When Considerable Grade Changes Exist Everything in post frame (pole) building land seems to be predicated upon a clear level site. While many parts of our world (Upper Midwest) are fairly flat, most live where ups and downs, swirls and contours exist. Reader ROBERT in RIVER FALLS writes: “I have a considerable slope […]
Read moreRemodel or Not?
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 01/01/2020Remodel or Build New? I am as guilty as most – my initial reaction is always to remodel, rather than build new. Even when it makes no practical or economic sense. Reader JIM in LAWTON is working through one of these situations. He writes: “I have a 30 x 40 pole barn 32 years old. […]
Read more- Categories: Pole Barn Design, Building Department, Constructing a Pole Building, Pole Barn Planning, Trusses, Footings, Professional Engineer, Lumber, Columns, Pole Barn Questions
- Tags: Headers, Building Design Loads, High Risk Building, Footing Diameters, Building Code, Registered Design Professional, Truss Carriers
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Column Types, SW Missouri, and Site Preparation
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 12/30/2019Today’s Pole Barn Guru discusses reader questions about types of columns used in Hansen Pole Buildings, what type of car for a small 2 story barn, and the best site preparation. DEAR POLE BARN GURU: Good morning. I was just running through your website looking at the different materials you guys use for your buildings […]
Read more- Categories: Pole Barn Design, Pole Barn Planning, Concrete, Footings, Columns
- Tags: Post Types, Type Of Car, Small Garage, Concrete Holes, Building Site Preparation, Wood Columns
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Concrete: Cured or Dried?
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 12/19/2019Concrete: Cured or Dried? Recently I posted an article in regards to finishing a concrete slab-on-grade. I admit to knowing slightly more about concrete than I do about plumbing. Muy poquito – one of the few Spanish terms I can actually pronounce (and have used all too frequently when visiting South America). For those of […]
Read moreTear Down and Move, Stitching Roof Steel, Foundation Size
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 11/04/2019Today’s Pole Barn Guru answers questions about the chance Hansen Buildings will “tear down pole barns and move them for people, too?…”, stitching the overlap on steel roofing, and what happens to foundations when adding a second floor to a “Barndo.” DEAR POLE BARN GURU: Do you tear down pole barns and move them for […]
Read moreTipping Up Post Frame Walls
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 10/04/2019Reader JIMMY in ROCK HILL writes: “I want to get your opinion on the pole barn building method seen in the linked video. (RR buildings) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVwUl4cm8fQ I am impressed at the built in efficiency of his process. Is there a benefit to his post ground connection, (i am aware that his method will use lots […]
Read morePlanning for a Post Frame Home
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 09/27/2019When it comes to planning for a new post frame home, shouse (shop/house) or barndominium, there are a myriad of questions and concerns to be answered and pondered. Or, at least I hope you are – rather than just stumbling in blindly! Reader NICK in NORTH CAROLINA writes: “Hi, I’m looking into options for building […]
Read more- Categories: Pole Barn Design, Pole Barn Homes, Constructing a Pole Building, Pole Barn Planning, Post Frame Home, Building Contractor, Barndominium, Footings, Building Interior, Professional Engineer, Pole Barn Questions
- Tags: Dripstop, Reflective Radiant Barrier, Splash Plank, Shouse, Bracket Set Columns, Electrical/plumbing/mechanical, Barndominium, Frost Protected Shallow Foundations
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Pre-construction Termite Treatment
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 09/26/2019Why would anyone building a pole barn, barndominium, shouse or post frame home need to be concerned about treating for termites? Isn’t pressure preservative treated wood going to solve any potential long range problems from pesky termites? Regardless of whether you build a post frame (pole) building, stick frame, steel frame or even concrete building […]
Read moreNorth to Alaska
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 08/15/2019While Alaska is America’s last great frontier, it doesn’t mean when we go North, we throw proper structural design out of a window. Reader CRAIG in WILLOW has more challenges going on than he has dreamed. He writes: “Hello, I’m building a 42Wx50D pole barn. I have 6×6 columns spaced 10’ apart on more than […]
Read more- Categories: Footings, Pole Barn Questions, Professional Engineer, Pole Barn Design, Pole Building How To Guides, Pole Barn Planning, Pole Barn Structure, Trusses
- Tags: Wind Load, Snow Load, Roof Truss Top Chords, Deflection Criteria, Barn Style Girts, Bending Criteria, Bookshelf Girts, Wall Girts
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Vapor Barrier, Replacement Skylights, and Frost Heave
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 08/05/2019This week the Pole Barn Guru answers questions about vapor barrier, a solution for skylights, and how to reduce frost heave. DEAR POLE BARN GURU: Vapor barrier under roof metal or under trusses with insulation on top? I find never-ending opinions about where to place vapor barrier in a post frame building. If the space […]
Read more- Categories: Footings, Insulation, Pole Barn Questions, Roofing Materials, Steel Roofing & Siding, Ventilation, Concrete
- Tags: Vapor Barrier, Skylights, Frost Heave
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Foundations, Insulating a Sliding Barn Door, and Buying a Barn Door
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 07/29/2019This week Mike the Pole barn Guru answers questions about foundations, effectiveness of insulating a sliding barn door, and where to buy a sliding barn door. DEAR POLE BARN GURU: Hansen Team, in beginning my post frame home over a full foundation, I am reading your excellent load bearing considerations for the posts through the […]
Read moreOne Pour Pole Barn Post Installation
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 07/17/2019Reader AARON from CARTHAGE writes: “Curious to see your thoughts on the Pro-footer one pour bracket. Would attaching these brackets to the post compromise the pressure treating leading to a chance of rot? I’ve seen their footer cages and their uplift brackets but these seem to be a better choice provided they don’t compromise the […]
Read moreBrackets to Sonotubes, Housewrap, and Help with a Remodel
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 07/01/2019This week Mike the Pole Barn Guru gives some advice regarding the use of brackets with sonotubes, installation of housewrap, and the possibility of replacing a gable style roof with a gambrel. DEAR POLE BARN GURU: Guru, I am looking at building a pole barn home. I like the idea of doing wetset brackets in […]
Read more- Categories: Pole Barn Questions, Pole Barn Planning, Trusses, Footings, Pole Barn Homes, Gambrel
- Tags: Install House Wrap, Housewrap, Sonotubes, Gambrel Trusses
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Stilt Post Frame on Permafrost
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 05/24/2019I have written previously about post frame design involving concrete slabs on grade in areas of permafrost: https://www.hansenpolebuildings.com/2018/04/post-frame-permafrost/. Today we will venture into a land where “stilts” are a design solution. Permafrost is loosely defined as soil and/or rock remaining frozen for more than two years. Big trees do not guarantee an absence of permafrost; […]
Read morePre-Drilling, Housewrap, and Concrete Footings
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 05/13/2019Today the Pole Barn Guru answers reader questions about pre-drilling steel panels, the proper use of house-wrap and weather resistant barriers, as well as concern for the effectiveness or fresh concretes ability to withstand compression. DEAR POLE BARN GURU: What size hole should I predrill in panels for the #12 diaphragm screws? Thanks! JOSEPH in […]
Read moreSturdi-Wall Plus Concrete Brackets
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 05/08/2019Sturdi-Wall Plus Concrete Brackets Long time readers will recall a previous article regarding Sturdi-Wall Plus concrete brackets: https://www.hansenpolebuildings.com/2012/09/concrete-brackets-2/ Sturdi-Wall Plus brackets are a heavy-duty engineered anchoring system for attaching wood columns to concrete foundations and are generally used in post-frame buildings but have other applications as well. These brackets are made with ¼ “steel plate […]
Read moreConverting a Pole Barn into a Home
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 04/19/2019I happen to live in a post-frame home. It was designed to be lived in from day one, so we did not face obstacles in having to convert a pole barn. Reader DAN in SIDNEY writes: “I have an existing pole barn that has no current foundation. It looks like 6×6 pt poles right into […]
Read more2019 NFBA Frame Building Expo Recap
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 04/18/2019NFBA’s (National Frame Building Association) Frame Building Expo is an annual event for post-frame industry builders and suppliers. It provides educational sessions, a trade show and an ability to interact with fellow members of our community. Below is an article I have submitted to F+W Media (www.fwmedia.com) publishers of Rural Builder and Frame Building News […]
Read moreIssues with Condensation, Ground Water, and Overhead Door Size
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 04/08/2019Today the Pole Barn Guru answers questions about, condensation, ground Water, and an overhead door size. DEAR POLE BARN GURU: Good morning, My name is Brett and about to complete my Hansen Pole building. I have having issues with condensation from my metal roof given the recent freezing weather. I do have a vapor barrier, […]
Read moreThe Case of the Frost Heave and a Pole Barn Porch
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 04/02/2019Allow me to preface this post about a frost heaved porch with a reference to Sherlock Holmes. Sir Arthur Conan Doyle’s Holmes and Watson solved fictional criminal dilemmas with deductive reasoning. In my cases, nearly 40 years of experience (plus knowing and relying upon input from many brilliant engineers) allows me to recommend solutions with […]
Read moreSlab on Grade or Crawl Space?
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 03/29/2019Slab on Grade or Crawlspace? Long-time readers of this column recall seeing a profuse number of articles written in regards to crawl spaces. These articles have been on a gradual increase since this first one six years ago: https://www.hansenpolebuildings.com/2013/03/crawl-space/. With residential post frame construction becoming rapidly more popular as more people discover this system’s benefits, […]
Read moreParticipating in Rick’s Post Frame Cabin Planning
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 03/26/2019Participating in Rick’s Post Frame Cabin Planning Happy readers have been following Hansen Pole Buildings’ Designer Rick’s journey towards constructing a new cabin. Rick has graciously asked me to jump in with sage advice (yep, Rick and I are both old guys), as well as answering some questions he has posed. Rick mentions using a […]
Read morePole Barn Cabin Part II
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 03/22/2019Today’s blog is a continuation from yesterday….Rick Carr, Senior Building Designer for Hansen Buildings shares his thoughts on planning his new pole barn cabin. From JA Hansen, co-owner of Hansen Buildings….Thanks Rick! Next I dealt with the crawl space: After deciding that I want to do a crawl space, several design issues arise and decisions […]
Read moreHoop Shed Wall, Ventilation, and Pole Barn Footings
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 03/18/2019Today the Pole Barn Guru answers questions about adding a garage door wall to a hoop shed, ventilation with no sidewall overhangs, and how post frame buildings are “anchored” to the ground. DEAR POLE BARN GURU: I would like to close the open 1/2 of the basketball court hoop shed with a pole building face. […]
Read more- Categories: Overhead Doors, Pole Barn Design, Building Overhangs, Ventilation, Footings
- Tags: Hoop Shed, Wall Materials, IBC Code, Ventilation, Pole Barn Footings, Footings
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Minimizing Excavation in Post Frame Buildings Part II
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 02/14/2019Minimizing Excavation In Combination With Post-Frame Frost Protected Shallow Foundations Part II In our last thrilling episode Snidely Whiplash had tied our fair damsel in distress, Nell Fenwick, to railroad tracks. Oops – railroad engineers are not what most of you were expecting! Continuing with a simplified solution response to reader DAVID’s ideas regarding site […]
Read moreMinimizing Excavation in Post Frame Buildings
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 02/13/2019Minimizing Excavation In Combination With Post-Frame Frost Protected Shallow Foundations Regular readers of this column recognize a groundswell movement towards energy efficient post frame building design. Reader (and Mechanical Engineer) DAVID in CONNECTICUT had some thoughts (after reading a volume of my article pages) in regards to FPSF (Frost Protected Shallow Foundations) and radiant in […]
Read more- Categories: Insulation, Pole Barn Questions, Pole Barn Design, Pole Barn Planning, Pole Barn Structure, Concrete, Footings
- Tags: FPSF, Pex Tubing, Skirtboard, Insulation, Vapor Barrier, Radiant Heat
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Roof Loads for Solar Panels, A “Square” Building, and Post Rot
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 02/11/2019This week the Pole Barn Guru answers questions about installing solar panels on the roof, the “squaring” of a building, and rotting of posts. DEAR POLE BARN GURU: Will a Pole Barn roof be able to hold solar panels? CARMEN in ORANGEVALE DEAR CARMEN: We can have your new post frame building engineered to support […]
Read moreSome Pole Barns Deserve a Proper Burial
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 01/11/2019Some Pole Barns Deserve a Proper Burial Reader STEPHAN in OGDENSBURG writes: “Dear Pole Barn Guru, I have a 30ish year old 32 by 54 feet horse pole barn where half the poles heaved some for more than 1 foot over the years. I need to fix it this year because I am afraid that […]
Read more- Categories: Footings, Rebuilding Structures, Pole Barn Questions, Columns, Pole Barn Design, Pole Building Comparisons, Constructing a Pole Building, Pole Barn Planning, Pole Barn holes, Pole Barn Structure, Concrete
- Tags: Sono Tubes, Building On Bedrock, Lean-to Shed, Floating Posts, Bedrock, Permacolumns, Bond Beam
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Eave Lights, Building Plans, and Foundations
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 01/07/2019Today Mike answers questions about eave lights, drawing building plans, and foundation plans. DEAR POLE BARN GURU: How to I attach the poly eave lights to the building frame? RUSSELL in BOISE DEAR RUSSELL: Polycarbonate panels are best predrilled for screw fasteners using a 3/8” bit. Screw pattern for eave lights is same as for […]
Read morePole Building Columns Without Ups or Downs
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 12/14/2018Post Frame Columns Without Ups or Downs Once post frame building columns are placed into those holes in ground, there needs to be (or sure should be) a solid plan to keep them from being sucked out of ground, or sinking down into it. FEATURE: Pre-mix concrete bottom collars attached to columns with pounded in […]
Read moreA Red Barn, Traditional Footings Not Needed, and Added Lighting
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 12/03/2018The Pole Barn Guru answers questions about a traditional red barn, footings, and additional lighting to outside of building. DEAR POLE BARN GURU: Hello, We are looking to have a barn built by the Amish community, but are having trouble finding someone to contact. I see on your website you have had several things […]
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- Tags: Red Barn, Junction Box, Outside Lighting, Post-Frame, Footings
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Importance of Constrained Posts
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 11/28/2018Importance of Constrained Posts In structural design of post frame (pole) buildings, an ability to transfer wind shear loads from roof to endwalls to ground becomes a key to cost effective design success. When sidewall columns are in a properly constrained condition (usually by attachment to a concrete slab-on-grade) shear forces are reduced by 25%. […]
Read moreStilt Construction, Ductwork, and House Design Options
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 11/26/2018In todays blog, the Pole Barn Guru discusses stilt homes, ductwork in attic, and post frame house design options. DEAR POLE BARN GURU: Pole Barns for Stilt Construction – Just read your Kitty Hawk story – And FEMA backs you up. From FEMA-DRs-4085-NY Foundation Requirements and Recommendations for Elevated Home – Piles can be used […]
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- Tags: Stilt Construction, Ductwork, House Design, Insulation
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A Residential Pole Barn, Missing Lumber, and Building on Existing Slab
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 11/19/2018Today the Pole Barn Guru answers questions about plans for a residential pole barn, lumber going missing, and to building an existing slab. DEAR POLE BARN GURU: Hello, I’m looking to build a residential pole barn. I would need enough space for 3 bedroom 2 bath. How big of a pole barn would I need? […]
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- Tags: Plans, Slab, Residential Pole Barn, Lumber Missing, Brackets
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Installing Insulation, Properly Treated Posts, and a Slab Solution
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 11/12/2018The Pole Barn Guru helps with installing insulation in wet seasons, properly treated posts, as well as a solution to embedded posts when bedrock is present. DEAR POLE BARN GURU: Hello. I am ready to install the insulation and metal on our pole building’s roof. I remember reading how it is important to install the […]
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- Tags: Bedrock, Slab, Post Treatment, Roof Steel Wet, Posts, Insulation, A1V
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Frost Heave, Sliding Door Dilemma, and Climate Control Plans
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 11/05/2018The Pole Barn Guru addresses questions about frost heave, a sliding door dilemma, and plans on climate control. DEAR POLE BARN GURU: Hello. Do you have any information regarding how to avoid frost movement with Pole Barn Building designs in stony ground and cold climates such as Norway? There is a building nearby that had […]
Read more- Categories: Professional Engineer, Pole Barn Heating, Insulation, Pole Barn Design, Footings
- Tags: Sliding Doors, Climate Control, Insulation, Frost Heave
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Installing Buildings, Additions, and Custom Designs
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 10/15/2018Today the Pole Barn Guru answers questions about installing buildings, adding on to an existing structure, and custom designs. DEAR POLE BARN GURU: If we purchased from your company do have does it come with installing in Hedgesville WV. Thank you. BRENDA in HEDGESVILLE DEAR BRENDA: Our buildings are designed to be able to be […]
Read more- Categories: Concrete, Footings, Pole Barn Design, Constructing a Pole Building, Trusses
- Tags: Installation, Building Construction, Additions, Custom Design
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Dry Set Brackets on Foundation, Unfinished Jobs, and Engineering
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 10/08/2018Today the Pole Barn Guru discusses rebuilding on an existing concrete foundation with dry set brackets, unfinished work, and proper engineering. DEAR POLE BARN GURU: I’ve recently torn down an old machine shed that still has very good 8″ wide by 24″ deep cement foundation walls that I’m thinking about using to erect a new […]
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- Tags: Foundation, Engineering, Footings, Dry Set Brackets, Unfinished Work
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Uplift Concerns, Retro-fitting Insulation, and High Water Tables
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 09/17/2018This week the Pole Barn Guru answers questions about uplift concerns, retro-fitting insulation, and setting posts in high water tables. DEAR POLE BARN GURU: I am adding an open overhang to the gable end of my 40×80 pole barn. I bought 36’ trusses and will lower them to fit under the existing gable going out […]
Read more- Categories: Insulation, Pole Barn Structure, Ventilation, Footings
- Tags: Insulation, Ceiling Insulation, Uplift, High Water Table. Setting Posts
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Column Hairpins, Going Bigger, and Cutting Corners
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 09/10/2018Today the Pole Barn Guru discusses Rebar hairpins, a bigger build, and cutting corners on the construction process. DEAR POLE BARN GURU: Hello, regarding the column to concrete hairpins. I’ve talked to a couple different contractors and they both have cringed when I discussed tying the pad to the columns. They say around here everyone […]
Read more- Categories: Insulation, Pole Barn Questions, Pole Barn Design, Steel Roofing & Siding, Footings
- Tags: Adhesive, Stitch Screws, Concrete, Adhesive Tape, Hairpins, Larger Building
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Brick Ledge on a Pole Building
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 08/01/2018Brick Ledge on a Post Frame (Pole) Building Whilst it would not be my personal preference for finish on a post frame building, there are instances when either aesthetics (trying to match other existing structures), local Planning Departments or HOAs (Home Owner Associations) mandate use of brick or stone exteriors. Whether for a wainscot or […]
Read moreRebuilding, Post Spacing, as well as a Frost Wall
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 07/23/2018I this weeks blog, the Pole Barn Guru talks about, rebuilding a pole barn, ideal post spacing and a frost wall. DEAR POLE BARN GURU: Hello, I recently disassembled a 36 x 100 pole barn and am rebuilding it at my house. It was covered with 2″ reinforced paper faced roll pole barn insulation with […]
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- Tags: Post Spacing, Frost Walls, Foundations, Rebuilding
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Frost Foundations, Painting Metal Buildings, and Hawaii
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 07/16/2018Today the Pole Barn Guru answers questions about frost protected shallow foundations, repainting metal buildings and a kit in Hawaii. DEAR POLE BARN GURU: What type of frost foundation would you use if planning on doing a finished space in part of the building? ERIC in WINTERSET DEAR ERIC: I’d do a Frost Protected Shallow […]
Read moreDouble Skirt Boards, Siding Options, and Foundation Plans
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 07/09/2018Today’s blog discusses double skirt boards, siding options and foundation plans. DEAR POLE BARN GURU: The pole building garage at the house I bought has two skirt boards. Can I remove the interior board to remove the dirt easier and put quikrete in its place. There is a 5” gap between the wall and the […]
Read more- Categories: Alternate Siding, Pole Barn Planning, Pole Building Siding, Footings
- Tags: Siding, Concrete Footings, Skirt Board, Foundation
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Fear of Concrete Slab Cracking at Post Corners
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 07/04/2018Fear of Concrete Slab Cracking at Post Corners Nothing appears to add to the self-importance of a contractor more than instilling fear into the hearts and minds of their clients. If I had a dollar for every fear mongering story I have heard over the years, I would be a wealthy man! Hansen Pole Buildings’ […]
Read moreConditioned Post Frame Crawl Space
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 06/27/2018Conditioned Post Frame Crawl Space Recently I had a reader ask about Conditioned Post-Frame Crawl Spaces, a subject I quickly did an internet search on, and found nothing. Dear gentle readers: In the event you should Google any post frame related information and cannot find the answer you are searching for, please drop me an […]
Read moreBuilding Height, Building on Existing Foundation, and Spray Foam
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 06/25/2018Today the Pole Barn Guru answers questions about calculating the height of a building, Building on and existing foundation, and Spray Foam Insulation. DEAR POLE BARN GURU: I’m looking for over all height of a building with a 14’ eave? Thanks. DOUG in PILOT ROCK DEAR DOUG: The overall height determination starts with a clear […]
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- Tags: Eave Height, Building Foundation, Building Height, Spray Foam Insulation, Foundation, Spray Foam
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Help with Instructions? Correct Frost Depth, and Nailing Schedule for OSB
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 06/18/2018Today the PBG attempts to assist with finding some instructions, the correct frost depth, and nailing schedule for OSB. DEAR POLE BARN GURU: A friend of mine gave me a cannonball track and hardware setup for my pole barn garage. I have looked everywhere for INSTALLATION INSTRUCTIONS. I cannot find anything on line. Can you […]
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- Tags: Frost Depth, Sliding Door, Post Holes, Nailing Pattern
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Engineering Your Pole Building for Free
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 06/08/2018Please Let Me Engineer Your Post Frame Building For Free Because I am not a Registered Design Professional, I can’t engineer your new post frame building for you. And, if I was, I most certainly would not be doing it for free. Typically an engineer should be compensated somewhere in the area of 8 to […]
Read moreThe Idea of Heating, Post Heave, and Interior Housewrap
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 06/04/2018Mike the Pole Barn Guru discusses The Idea of Heating the building in the future, Post Heave, and Interior Housewrap. DEAR POLE BARN GURU: Hi Pole Barn Guru, I am getting ready to order a kit for a new 38×40 pole barn in Southern Ohio. Initially it will be cold storage, but the idea of heating […]
Read more- Categories: Insulation, Ventilation, Footings, Pole Barn Heating
- Tags: Soil Compaction, Tyvek, Heating, Future Insulation, Post Heave
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Bigfoot Systems
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 05/16/2018Bigfoot Systems® Bigfoot Systems® bills itself as North America’s Original #1 Selling Pier Footing Form, which I would say is most likely 100% or more correct. So, what exactly is a Bigfoot and why would one use one? Before we get carried away, I have never used a Bigfoot and this is not a celebrity […]
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- Tags: Embedded Columns, Pole Barn Footings, Footings, Sonotubes, Pier Footing, Pier Base
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Post Frame and Permafrost
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 04/18/2018Permafrost is soil, rock or sediment which is frozen for more than two consecutive years. In areas not overlain by ice, it exists beneath a layer of soil, rock or sediment, which freezes and thaws annually and is called the “active layer”. In practice, this means permafrost occurs at an average air temperature of 28°F or […]
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Proper Foundation and Slab, Two-Story Buildings, and Door Parts
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 03/19/2018Proper Foundation and Slab, Two-Story Buildings, and Door Parts DEAR POLE BARN GURU: Dear Sir, I read the details of pouring a concrete slab after building the barn. I live in Montana with some pretty cold winters. If I were laying a slab for a conventional stick built structure i would be required to dig […]
Read moreSoil Bearing Pressures Challenge
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 02/13/2018Soil Bearing Pressures Challenge Fast and Loose With Numbers and Terms DAN from MOUNDS VIEW is the first reader who admits they are an addict to my blogs – for this, I love you man!! Luckily there is no 12 step program to cure you, so you are just going to have to keep feeding […]
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- Tags: Uplift, 2100 Soil Rating, Soil Load
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Minimizing Condensation When Building Over an Existing Foundation
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 01/26/2018Minimizing Condensation When Building Over an Existing Foundation Reader ROSS writes: “Hello, I have a question about venting of my building. I currently am in the process of building a shop myself. I had an existing foundation of 75 x 42 that had 8ft concrete walls all the way around. I’m building my building on […]
Read moreCall a Geotechnical Engineer
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 01/18/2018When is it time to bring in a Geotechnical Engineer? Reader WES in RAVENNA writes: “I am building a 36×48 pole barn w/ attic trusses on a piece of property were the water table is quite high. The wettest hole contained about 3 feet of water and caved in to about 5 or 6 feet […]
Read moreFlood Rebuilding, Retrofitting Stem Wall, and Platinum Engineering
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 01/08/2018DEAR POLE BARN GURU: Hi. I am an architect with a flood victim client in Houston whose 1500 sf house must be rebuilt 5′ above grade. C panel, aluminum sliding windows/doors, low budget. Is it crazy to think they could buy a custom kit from you and have a crew from MN install it in […]
Read moreMoving Pole Barns
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 12/22/2017Moving a Pole Barn Most of us American adults have, at some time in our lives, visited a county or state fair. Adjunct to these events is the inevitable midway – where carnies (those wonderful and frequently interesting folks) hock their wares and try to interest one and all in a game of chance. Amongst […]
Read moreMy Poles Are Further Apart than the Trusses Span
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 11/01/2017My Poles are Placed Farther Apart Than the Trusses Span Reader ALURA in NORTH CAROLINA writes: “We recently purchased a 60 x40 pole barn kit from Florida and we are in North Carolina. We talked to them on the phone several times about the size the inner dimensions. They reassured us that yes the 40×60 was […]
Read moreHow Should I Backfill My Pole Barn Holes?
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 10/24/2017How Should I Backfill My Pole Building Holes This is a subject which is repeatedly brought up. Usually it is ones who are constructing a post frame building which was not designed by a registered design professional (RDP – architect or engineer). The wrong answer could easily lead to a catastrophic failure of the building! […]
Read morePost Protector Surprise
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 10/04/2017Post Protector Surprise Reader CONNOR from INDIANAPOLIS and I recently had an exchange in regards to the holes of his new post frame building. Connor is proposing to use Post Protectors on the columns of his building. What he has yet to realize is there is going to be a hidden surprise with the use […]
Read moreCan I Build a Pole Barn on my Concrete Slab?
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 10/03/2017Can I Build a Pole Barn on My Concrete Slab? I dove off from the turnip truck a long time ago, so I have seen a lot of strange things constructed over my nearly 60 year lifetime. Sometimes strange is good, usually not so good. What is remarkable are the structures which are constructed directly […]
Read moreI want the Bottom of my Poles at the Same Depth
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 09/28/2017I Want The Bottom of My Poles At The Same Depth Reader CONNOR in CINCINNATI writes: “Dear Pole Barn Guru, I am putting up a 24’x32’x10′ pole barn to serve as a garage. Last weekend I augered my 24″ holes to accommodate 48″ post embedment plus a 10″ concrete footer. A ready-mix company is coming […]
Read moreStilt Houses
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 09/21/2017In the aftermath of Hurricane Harvey nearly all Americans have seen video of the devastation across the coastal lowlands of Texas. Over and over photos of water logged drywall and carpets being torn out of homes which were flooded by epic rainfalls of biblical proportion were enough to churn my gut. Especially as so much […]
Read morePost Frame Apartment Buildings
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 09/19/2017Post Frame Apartment Buildings I have thought about the possibilities of constructing apartments using post frame construction for years, however a recent query from reader DERRICK in CINCINNATI brought it to the forefront of my thoughts. Dave writes: “Can you build apartment buildings out of your products? Nothing fancy. Just affordable living in a rural […]
Read moreLoft Door, Antique Barns, and Footing Sizes?
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 09/18/2017DEAR POLE BARN GURU: I have an upstairs (loft) exterior opening that is 50″ wide by 68″ tall. I want to build a door with the National Hardware tab-loc frame and cover it with r-panel siding. How much overhang on each side, and top and bottom do I need to make the door? What should […]
Read more- Categories: Pole Building Doors, Concrete, Footings, Alternate Siding, Professional Engineer, Pole Barn Questions, Pole Building How To Guides, Pole Barn Structure
- Tags: Antique Barn Wood, Engineered Plans, Sliding Door Installation Instructions, Footings, Double Sliding Doors, Sliding Door Trim
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Post Frame Frost Walls
Posted by The Pole Barn Guru on 09/13/2017From reader Paul in Bismarck: “How do you deal with the requirement for a 4 foot frost wall on buildings that will have plumbing installed in them. Typically, the concrete footing on a stick built structures qualifies as the frost wall. How is this accomplished with a pole building that will be used as a […]
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