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Hansen (J.A.), the Insides, and Ceiling Liner Panels

This week the Pole Barn Guru responds to reader questions about “Hansen” and the person behind the name, what the inside of a building might look like, and the possibility of adding ceiling liner panels to scissor trusses spaced 4 feet apart.

DEAR POLE BARN GURU: How long has Hansen (the man himself) been building pole buildings?WESLEY in AUMSVILLE

DEAR WESLEY: Hansen (as in J.A.) is a female. If you are asking about me, my name is Mike Momb and I erected my first post frame building in South Salem in the Spring of 1980, just off Skyline Road South. It was an 18′ x 36′ three sided loafing shed, with a single sloping roof.

DEAR POLE BARN GURU: What does the inside look like when you have a 1 1/2 story L shaped structure with gable and valley roof? STEPHANIE in FALLSBURG

DEAR STEPHANIE: I will have to guess your left portion has trusses with an attic bonus room, so its inside would most likely look like a long narrow room, with a flat ceiling and finished most typically with gypsum wallboard (aka sheetrock or drywall).

DEAR POLE BARN GURU: My scissor trusses are 4ft apart. I want to put up a metal siding ceiling and wondered if I needed like a 1×4 or 2×4 purlin (not sure if that is a purlin) to place between trusses before I put up metal? Or do most just put up metal ceiling with a 4ft gap between trusses? JOE in BOWLING GREEN

DEAR JOE: In most instances steel liner panels will span four feet between trusses without undue deflection. You will want to confirm trusses (and your building) have been designed with an adequate bottom chord dead load to carry weight of liner panels and any insulation you will be placing on top of the steel ceiling.

This entry was posted in Pole Barn Questions, Building Styles and Designs, Pole Buildings History, Trusses, Building Interior, Pole Barn Homes and tagged Hansen J.A., L shaped building, Pole Barn Guru, Hansen Buildings, ceiling liner panels, scissor trusses, interior on December 29, 2021 by admin.

Overhead Garage Doors, Galvanized Nails, and Installing a Ceiling Liner

Today’s Pole Barn Guru answers questions about the sale of overhead garage doors, the use of galvanized nails, and if Hansen could install a ceiling liner.

DEAR POLE BARN GURU: Do you sell overhead style panel doors for pole barns? I am located in FL and need a 14’x14’ barn door (possibly up to 6 total) for my large pole barn. Do you know what wind requirements are typically used? I realize Florida has a 160Mph wind rating due to hurricanes, but I am not sure if I am required to meet this requirement since this is a 25 year old pole barn I am trying to renovate (& modernize) the look, but paying $4k per door would break the bank.
Any suggestions you have are greatly appreciated.
Thanks, DONALD in ORLANDO

DEAR DONALD: Hansen Pole Buildings provides overhead sectional steel doors only with an investment into a complete post frame building package, due to possibilities of shipping damage. You should consult with your local Building Department, as you may very well need a Building Permit in order to do work such as this. They can verify what wind speed (as well as wind exposure) will be appropriate for your particular building site. Even if a permit is not required, you should only use doors rated to at least these loads – lesser capacity doors may very well not perform as needed and indeed could result in a collapse.

DEAR POLE BARN GURU: After scouring the internet I am still confused about using non-galvanized steel nails in the MCA pt treated posts for nailing the girts. I thank you for your time and expertise. FRED in BYRDSTOWN

DEAR FRED: Regardless of whether lumber is pressure preservative treated or not, I have always used hot dipped galvanized nails – why? Because chances are good it will rain (or snow) during framing and non-galvanized nails will rust and leave discolored streaks on your framing. Considering there is such a small price difference, it is worth it to me.

DEAR POLE BARN GURU: Hello! We live in Prior Lake and have a pole shed that needs a ceiling metal liner Installed. I’m having trouble finding anyone to do just the liner and I can finish the rest. I know you’re a few hours away but curious if you have anyone near the cities that could help. The building is a 32×32 with a 12′ ceiling made by Sherman 5 years ago. It has three overhead garage doors.

Thank you, DEXTER in PRIOR LAKE

DEAR DEXTER: Thank you very much for considering Hansen Pole Buildings, unfortunately we are not building contractors, so this is outside of our scope. You might try running an ad in Craigslist under gigs or, as an alternative, check at your local The Home Depot’s Pro Desk as they often have lists of contractors who might be capable of doing your work.

This entry was posted in Pole Barn Questions, Building Interior, Fasteners, Sectional Doors, Overhead Doors and tagged ceiling liner panels, galvanized nails, overhead sectional door, overhead garage doors on September 30, 2019 by admin.

Ceilings: Steel Liner Panels

In many parts of the country, a popular ceiling is to use steel liner panels. Generally the liner panels are the same rib configuration as steel roofing and siding, the difference being the panels themselves generally have little or no warranty on either the paint, or the steel themselves. As the paint is not exposed to the elements, this is really of no concern. These liner panels usually have a minimal coating of galvanization under the paint, so protection against rusting is low. Due to both of these factors, the cost of the material is lower than siding and roofing panels which require more protection from weather and sunlight deterioration.

In many cases, the steel liner panels are screwed directly to widely spaced trusses, sometimes spanning eight to 12 feet. This results in the liner panels having a noticeable sag between the trusses, especially if insulation is blown in on top of the panels.

The common reasoning in using liner panels, as opposed to say… gypsum wallboard, is they are far lighter in weight, so the roof trusses do not need to carry as high of a load. Many people seem to feel the use of white painted liner panels, contributes to the building being brighter inside, when lights are turned on. Cost is also often mentioned as a factor, however properly installed liner panels, with framing close enough to minimize sagging, and drywalled systems are fairly close to the same price.

My own objection to steel liner panels is the noise factor. Drywall tends to absorb sound, where steel liner panels reflect it.

I also wondered if condensation on the underside of the panels could ever be a problem. Warm moist air inside the building rises, comes in contact with the ceiling liner panel steel (which will often be colder in fall, winter, spring than the inside the building) and condensation should occur. Having never owned a pole building with a steel liner, I couldn’t vouch for the actual situation personally.

Well, I got my answer today, from an online forum post:

“I think it depends on how tight your building is. My metal garage has two roll up doors and there is a gap at the top of them. In the winters, I had no problems with condensation on the metal ceiling until I sealed over the doors with OSB. I have insulation stuffed in all of the grooves on the inside at the edge of the metal roof. So, that made it pretty air tight. Now in the winters, when the roof has frost or snow on it, when the sun comes out, the metal ceiling will drip water on my car. I have to cover it with a plastic tarp to keep the water off of it.”

Personally, my idea of having things inside a building is to avoid having to break out the blue tarps! Considering a steel liner panel ceiling in a new pole building? I’d recommend thinking long and hard before you jump into this one.

This entry was posted in Steel Roofing & Siding and tagged ceiling liner panels, ceiling materials, ceiling drywall on August 15, 2013 by admin.