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Framing and Materials, DIY plans, and a Conversion

This Thursday’s blog is another bonus “Ask the Guru” answering reader questions about Hansen Kits framing and materials, if a readers structural plans are viable, and whether the Guru thinks an old pole barn can be converted into a Barndo.

DEAR POLE BARN GURU: Do your home kits come as a frame tight to the weather. Are the rooms already framed? GREGORY in SPRING HILL

DEAR GREGORY: Typically our post frame home packages are provided “dried in” – including all roofing, siding, windows and doors. We do have some clients who desire specific materials (typically a custom door or window), in those cases we provide openings.

We do not furnish materials for interior, non-bearing walls. History has shown us these materials are rarely adequately protected from weather, get used by one subcontractor or another, or walk away from job sites before it is time for their use. These are also ‘commodity’ materials, readily available from vendors such as your nearly The Home Depot.

 

DEAR POLE BARN GURU: I’m building one now myself. It’s 20’x42 The bottom floor is constructed of 4×6 post with 4×8 in the corners, walls are 5′ metal/foam SIPs as well as the subfloor on the 2nd floor. I’m doing homemade rafters with 2×6 lumber with 3/4″ osb gussets, glued and stapled 2″ -7/16′ staples on a 22.5 degree symmetrical design. I’ll be using milled 2×4 pine for my gussets on a 24″ center and 24 gauge metal roof. I’m planning on setting my trusses on a 48″ center. Will that work? JOHN in PERRYVILLE

DEAR JOHN: It is highly unlikely any of your 4x posts will be structurally adequate to carry imposed loads. Depending upon grade of lumber being used for trusses, applied wind, snow or dead loads, they may or may not be adequate. I would strongly suggest you engage a registered professional engineer to visit your building, inspect it and make recommendations for any fixes in order to prevent a catastrophic collapse.

 

DEAR POLE BARN GURU: Can we make this post frame barn into a barndo? If so, what do we need to consider to make sure it’s structurally sound? It’s approximately 40×80 not including the lean to. ASHLEY in NEVADA

DEAR ASHLEY: You should engage services of a Registered Professional Engineer to do a physical examination of this building and make recommendations appropriate to upgrade it for residential occupancy. Most usually suspects will be inadequate diameter of column footings and lack of truss capacity to support weight of a ceiling. Adequate attic ventilation will also need to be addressed. Given age of structure, you may find it more expensive to upgrade it, than to start from scratch. Plus, starting from scratch, you have an ability to create something best meeting your family’s wants and needs, as opposed to trying to fit what you want, into someone else’s old box. Best of success in your journey.

Why it’s Critical to Understand Lumber Species Groups

Why it’s Critical to Understand Lumber Species Groups

Originally published in SBCA Magazine January 6, 2024

For consumers of structurally graded lumber the two key elements of the lumber’s grade stamp are the assigned grade and the species or species group. These two elements establish what published design values should be referenced for that piece of wood, particularly when used in a structural system like a truss, roof rafter, floor joist, or wall. While it may seem straightforward, there are important differences to be aware of when using lumber from species groups.

Douglas Fir-Larch (DF-L) encompasses trees grown in three separate geographic regions in North America. The three regions are indicated on the grade stamp using the designations DF-L, DF-L(N), and DF(S)*. Any consumer of lumber from one or more of these species groups should treat each as a separate and distinct raw material for design, manufacture, and installation purposes. To understand why, it’s important to look at how these lumber species groups are manufactured and graded.

Lumber species groups exist because it is often not practical, nor potentially desirable, to separate individual species of logs when the lumber manufacturer processes them. While there are several reasons, some of the most prevalent include: forest conditions make it impractical to separate species during harvesting; visually differentiating many species is difficult and inefficient at the mill, once processed, some lumber species can’t be differentiated without the use of a microscope; and, some species have similar mechanical properties.

The American Lumber Standards Committee (ALSC) and Canada’s National Lumber Grades Authority (NLGA) recognize the DF(S) species group as douglas fir and bigcone douglas fir and DF-L species group as including douglas fir, bigcone douglas fir, and western larch. However, these trees are harvested from three different growing regions:

DF-L: Washington, Oregon, Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, and California

DF-L(N): Canadian provinces

DF(S)*: Arizona, Colorado, Nevada, New Mexico, and Utah

In addition to Douglas Fir-Larch (DF-L), other common species groups used in North America for structural purposes include Southern Yellow Pine (SP) and Spruce-Pine-Fir (SPF). The SPF species group is a combination of Canadian spruces, pines, and firs that share similar mechanical properties and growing regions. SPF(S) is a similar species group of spruces, pines and firs that originates in the U.S. SPF(S) has different design values from SPF. SP is a combination of four different species of pine in the U.S. South: loblolly pine, long leaf pine, shortleaf pine, and slash pine.

These different growing regions have an impact on the published design values under ALSC’s PS 20 lumber standard. Below are the design values in the American Wood Council’s 2018 National Design Standard (NDS) Supplement that correspond to each of the assigned species group based on the lumber grade:

Sometimes, DF-L and DF-L(N) or DF-L and DF(S)* will be combined at a manufacturing mill or at a reload operation. Again, these different species groups have different published design values and should be treated as separate raw materials. However, if that isn’t possible from a practical or efficiency standpoint, under ALSC rules the lower of the two species’ published design values must be used.