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How Far to Lower the Trusses?

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DEAR POLE BARN GURU: Good morning,

notching trussesI purchased a building back in February and just now starting to build. I have the Poles up and concrete down. Now I’m starting to install the Trusses. I have a question  about the truss layout, on drawing S-4 It shows to drop the Back truss 7-5/8” and then the next set of trusses it looks like I need to drop the outer truss 7-5/8” also which will allow my purlins to be installed on top and tie into the 2nd truss.  I have two questions. 1:  The two interior trusses I understand they must set on a 3” ledger that I cut from the post, the way the post is laid out on plans is 6×4 on the outer post and the would only leave me with just an ½” of post to attach my Trusses to. 2: I understand the drop in truss’s but the purlins actual measurement is 7-1/4 and I setting them at 7-5/8” according to drawings. I just wanted to confirm that was correct.

Thank you. CHAD IN GROVES

DEAR CHAD: Your particular building has the rear 24 foot wide by 12 foot of length fully enclosed. The balance of the building is a roof only “carport”.

At 12′ from the rear endwall only the truss towards the rear of the building (the truss with “tails”) notches into the columns 1-1/2″, leaving two inches of column remaining. The truss on the front side of the columns (without tails) attaches to the column face with 10-10d nails to each column.

This allows the rear truss to have full bearing on the columns, and the top chord will seal the enclosed portion from the carport area. The roof purlins of the carport section will bear on top of the lowered truss on the face of the columns.

Although a 2×8 physically measures 7-1/4″, because it is rotated at a 4/12 slope, the trusses themselves must be lowered 7-5/8″ to compensate. We know it sounds counter intuitive, but it actually works.

For those following along at home, you can do the math yourself. For a 4/12 slope…square four (4 x 4 = 16) and square 12 (12 x 12 = 144). Add the two together (16 + 144 = 160) and take the square root (which is 12.649). Divide 12.649 by 12 to get the slope factor for 4/12 (1.05409). Multiply the dimension of the 2×8 (7.25”) by the slope factor and the resultant is 7.642”. The closest easily measured fraction is 7-5/8” (7.625”).

Mike the Pole Barn Guru

DEAR POLE BARN GURU: I’m currently constructing a Hansen building, and as we started notching the columns, noticed that one has a split in it near where the notch will be. It will work fine if I notch it on the other side, so my question is: Can I notch one pair of interior columns on the opposite side? The purlins should be long enough. Anything else to consider? Thanks JP IN GRAND SALINE

DEAR JP: Every once in a while someone is kind enough to throw up a “softball” question (think of friendly interviews of political candidates) for me and I sure appreciate them!

As long as your purlins/eave girts and fascia boards are all long enough – it is not a problem from a structural aspect. You are all good to go!

Mike the Pole Barn Guru

Dropped Chord Truss

The Following is an Actual Instant Message Conversation between Rachel, one of our in-house building designers and myself.

Rachel: Builder on the phone.

Rachel: He is wondering why we wouldn’t make the trusses smaller so all the pole lengths would the same?

Polebarnguru: I have no idea yet what he is asking.

Rachel: He says the trusses with overhangs on the endwalls are not at the same height.

Polebarnguru: Correct, they are lowered, so what is the point?

Polebarnguru: He can’t read a tape measure?

Rachel: Couldn’t they just have a smaller truss?

Rachel: So I figured out his question.

Polebarnguru: The dropped top chord truss, will rarely work.

Rachel: Perfect.

All too often end wall overhangs are supported by builders cutting into the top chord of an end truss, and laying 2×4 “outriggers” flat into notches. As a teenager, I remember doing this myself. Once I entered the prefabricated wood roof truss industry I found out – never cut into a truss in the field!!

The correct method for supporting a roof overhang past the endwall of a building is to either have what is known as a “dropped top chord”, or otherwise have the end truss height adjusted to allow structurally adequate framing to pass over the top of the end truss.

With a dropped chord truss, the bottom of all trusses is at the very same level. This works well in stick frame (stud wall) construction, where wall plate lines are all at equal heights.

pole barn trussesIn a post frame building – the dropped chord truss does not work so well, as the ends of the trusses are a point, at the corner columns, where the narrow tapered portion of the truss is unable to adequately transfer roof loads to the limited bearing surface of the corner columns.

With roof purlins on edge, to adequately support the imposed roof loads of trusses eight foot or more on center, the end trusses can be adjusted in height on the corner and end columns to compensate for the thickness of the roof purlins.

This difference of height does not change the length of any of the supporting columns, only the location of the trusses vertically.

Lowering the endwall trusses by the height of the top chord – really does not seem all that complicated.  It does of course involve being able to accurately read plans and use a tape measure.